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Links between Thio Li-Ann and Singanews...
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Sep 18 2009, 07:00 PM |
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Actually, I'm not too worried about this Singanews nonsense. In fact this could be Thio's worst trip.
Look at how they are conducting it. They introduced the venture with a passionate, skewed speech, followed by endless rounds of name throwing. "We have this reporter.... We have that reporter...." Any businessman can see clearly this is dotcom tactic. Throwing of big names and promises to project an image of greatness. Why do people do this? Most of the time to attract funding. I quite believe they don't exactly have the 90 grand. Or. They have the 90 grand, but they know quite well it's hardly enough. So they do need more or the venture is bound to flop.
Which means they aren't in that great a shape as they project.
On top of the money issue, this Singanews already has hordes of other management and business problems.
1) Too many chefs. Too many big names. Too many characters with strong opinions. If they really have so many chefs, within months they would be fighting each other to death. OR. Most of those big names are just for decorative purposes. Meaning people like Teo Hwee Nak or Shermaine Wong aren't really involved, but MAY contribute a guest article or two once in a while.
2) Still too many chefs. If everybody is involved, do you think 90 K, or even twice of that is enough?
3) Deception. Even before the official start, there is a need and deliberation to hide their intentions. How long can they keep up before they slip?
4) Antagonism. Straight off they adopt hostilities towards the MSM and other portals like TOC. Which is practically the whole media of Singapore. They really think their 90K and big names can stand up to the whole media of Singapore?
5) Chinese colloquialism calls it dogs cannot change from eating shit. Fools like Thio must still think it's gay agenda and militant secularism that caused their shaming in May. They don't realize it's their own awful conduct that turned Singapore against them. Things like sacking the employees of Aware. Shouting at the media. Cursing at the EGM. Etc Etc. With a whole group of them clustered together like this, would history repeat? I bet you anything it would.
Personally, I think this whole Singanews thing may rid us of the Thios and Hongs permanently.
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Sep 18 2009, 10:32 AM |
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I expect to see a lot of argument happening once the Singanews portal is up. There would be Christians within the portal to support it and rebuke anyone with non-Christian view. I guess this is one of the reason why they are getting professionals (ex-reporters) who are good in writing articles to support their cause. Good to know the people behind it and their background. Based on the article in TOC by Singanews, some of their reporters are: QUOTE http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/09/about-singanews/We have already attracted top veteran journalists like PN Balji, former-editor of TODAY; Suresh Nair, arguably Singapore top sports journalist; Ng Weng Hoong, our nation’s only energy trade publisher with a 15-year track record; other former mainstream journalists like Teo Hwee Nak, Jeffrey Tsang and Wong Sher Maine. We also have a team of current cyber-space technical specialists like Paul Khoo, Hillary Chan and Dianna Ng to support this venture. We will also be preparing to launch Chinese and Malay pages for Singa News site. Found this about some of them: QUOTE http://temasekreview.com/?p=13648PN Balji – Oh..he is a Hindu? He was the one that interviewed Josie Lau on the AWARE. He is pro-Thio throughout the whole saga. That is why someone commented any he was so diplomatic during the interview.http://akikonomu.blogspot.com/2009/0…ty-primer.html http://temasekreview.com/?p=8033Jeffrey Tsang – He is also a writer for The Saviour Times which is a magazine by COOS. The same church where Thio Su-Mein is in. http://www.coos.org.sg/saviourtimes/…2005JulSep.pdf (See page 6) Samuel Wong – Not sure if this is the same Samuel Wong but if it is, he is from the Pastor from Cornerstone Church in charge of Mandarin Affairs. http://www.facebook.com/people/Samuel-Wong/529597383” As for the rest, I have done some searching. Mr Basskaran Nair - former senior executive of CapitaLand. Just google "CapitaLand and Lippo" and you'll see that CapitaLand and Lippo (The company managed by Thio Su Mein's husband) are working very closely on property projects. Hillary Chan - She could be the one http://precious-living.com/. She is a blogger and writes for CNet Asia http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/high-on-a-hill/
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Sep 16 2009, 10:04 PM |
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QUOTE(Touch_Therapy @ Sep 16 2009, 04:57 PM)  Hi Superflawness, The way you quoted other person's text is misleading. Others who do not follow from an earlier post may misunderstand that I was the one saying those things because my nick appears at the quotation box. Can help by removing my nick from that quotation box? Thanks  I add my petition to Superflawless to correct that misquote. Although... no one in Trevvy would ever think that you wrote that crap. If these misguided people you quoted think that the immune system is metaphysical, divine, how they explain that they stay alive in spite of their poisonous nature?
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Sep 16 2009, 04:57 PM |
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Hi Superflawness, The way you quoted other person's text is misleading. Others who do not follow from an earlier post may misunderstand that I was the one saying those things because my nick appears at the quotation box. Can help by removing my nick from that quotation box? Thanks This post has been edited by Touch_Therapy: Sep 16 2009, 04:58 PM
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Sep 16 2009, 04:55 PM |
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QUOTE(Touch_Therapy @ Sep 16 2009, 04:12 PM)  "The Origin of Aids".The Hiv virus only became deadly among humans and decimated the gay population of America in the early 80's because,I believe,homosexuality goes against Nature,just like a two-headed newborn will not live because it goes against Nature.
This is incorrect. If ten healthy homosexuals were to engage in sexual acts with each other and through those sexual unions, they slowly become sick with the virus, I would agree with that hypothesis. However, that is not the case. Scientists do not really know how HIV came about, but the generally held belief is that eating infect ape meat was the cause. In Africa, some locals would butcher gorilla, chimpanzees and consume their meat. They call it "Bushmeat". That is one of the most likely-held hypothesis given for the source of HIV. Now these chimpanzees are fine and not ill with the virus. But once a human gets this strain, he will fall ill and soon die. This strain is called the SIV= Simian immunodeficiency virus, the virus mutates and become the HIV we know today. SIVcpz is agreed to be the simian ancestor of HIV-1 group M. Read this article hereIn fact, it is still mutating today. Which is why the vaccine or cure is so elusive. And why HIV strains are so different in various parts of the world. So it's not just human beings who are getting sick with HIV. Apes are also getting sick and killed. Also, cats do get a similar strain called FIV. You can read all about it on-line. Very easy to research. The difficulty is asking these Christians to read the research done. They absolutely refused to entertain any notion that this virus is NOT a punishment against homosexual sexual acts. They are absolutely convinced that we are punished through the exposure of HIV. That's how their GOD wants to eradicate homosexuals. If this is true, then heterosexuals wouldn't be infected. Cats wouldn't be infected and our closest animal cousins wouldn't be infected too. QUOTE Twenty-five years after the first AIDS cases emerged, scientists have confirmed that the HIV virus plaguing humans really did originate in wild chimpanzees, in a corner of Cameroon.
Solving the mystery of HIV's ancestry was dirty work. Scientists employed trackers to plunge through dense jungle and collect the fresh feces of wild apes — more than 1,300 samples in all.
Before that, it took seven years of research just to develop the testing methods to genetically trace the primate version of the virus in living wild chimps without hurting the endangered species.
Until now, "no one was able to look. No one had the tools," said Dr. Beatrice Hahn of the University of Alabama at Birmingham. She led the team of international researchers that reported the success in Friday's edition of the journal Science.
"We're 25 years into this pandemic," Hahn said. "We don't have a cure. We don't have a vaccine. But we know where it came from. At least we can make a check mark on one of those." This post has been edited by superflawless: Sep 16 2009, 04:52 PM
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Sep 16 2009, 04:14 PM |
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QUOTE(mevlinng @ Sep 15 2009, 03:39 PM)  She worship her mother, so of course will behave like her.
Isn't that also IDOL worshipping? That's a no-no in Christiandom. Tsk tsk.
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Sep 16 2009, 04:12 PM |
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Anyone wannna go to this link here to participate in the debate just started? One guy called Roboxx wrote a piece criticising SingaNews and then Roboxx's post was responded to by a new persons. I quote Roboxx and one of the responses to Roboxx. http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/default.aspx...forumtype=postsQUOTE QUOTE Mainstream.
That's the word that those starting up Singanews are using to describe themselves; that's also the word that another Christian, Lui Tuck Yew - who helped craft the new Penal Code singling out gay men only for discrimination in the law together with his co-religionist Amy Khor - used to [self]-congratulate the 'mainstream media' (or MSM) for an imaginary competence.
Now, isn’t "mainstream" also what extremists who occupy the ultraconservative-to-fascist band on the political spectrum always like to claim they are? (I know this for a fact from being in N America from the early to mid-1990s at the height of gay activism, stemming from the AIDS crisis and the Reagan-Bush Sr years.)
This is actually not inconsistent with an aspect of ultraconservative ideologies (which include conservatism, ultraconservatism, and fascism but not right-of-centre conservatism, which would be considered liberal democratic) where its proponents tend to hold up one group – usually themselves – as the ones whose values the rest of society should aspire to.
By taking a nice-sounding word like “mainstream” for themselves, what they attempt to do in effect is to leave the rest of us with no nice names to call ourselves; mainstream people are well balanced, and even perfectly-centred individuals not given to extremes.
Or so the mythology goes.
There are four fact-based reasons for rejecting Singanews' claim of being ‘mainstream’, and I say "fact-based" because I will be making use of the objective criteria used in political science here:
1. The PAP does in fact subscribe to a political ideology despite pious protestations to the contrary. That ideology is anywhere between ultraconservatism-to-fascism exactly like the Thio Li-ann Christians – this is a strictly academic view.
2. Though he is hardly the first to do so, Lui Tuck Yew refers to the SPH and mediacorp stables as "mainstream". However, the 'MSM' has only ever reflected PAP thinking. The PAP pursues this policy because it has always wanted to shape the thinking of Singaporeans in its own image with the intended result of its thinking becoming the statistical norm in the Singapore population. That way, the PAP can then go on to claim that that statistical norm is also the “mainstream” view, which oh, just so happens to coincide with their political ideology, ultraconservatism-to-fascism on the political spectrum.
3. Singanews has so far drawn their writers only from the Christian community and the 'mainstream' media, the latter which can currently only be called the Hindu smokescreen. The people who are starting up Singanews have all of that same sense of arrogance about their moral superiority, “moral superiority” being the true subtext of “mainstream”. (This actually relates very neatly to my point of moral equality in an earlier post in this thread.)
4. However, ultraconservatism-to-fascism can by no stretch of the imagination be considered to be political centrism, which is the word we should actually be using instead of ‘mainstream’ when it comes to discussions of law, politics, political and socio-political news and commentary; centrism is the word that professional journalists use.
(One way to know if you are politically a centrist is to ask yourself if you are appealed to the practises of constitutionalism, the rule of law, and rationality in legislation and its enforcement. Does any of the above describe the PAP and its scions?)
We would all be doing ourselves and Singapore a favour by refusing to refer to the SPH and Mediacorp stables as the mainstream media (MSM). I’m going to start by referring to them as the UCM (or ultraconservative media when they are ultraconservative) or FM (or fascist media when they are being fascist); I hope others will join me.
We should not even be feeling bullied that we are ‘less than moral’ for not espousing any of the views of the ‘mainstream’ Singanews – the contempt that ‘mainstream’ people have for those not like them, and the punitive ill treatment that awaits the victims that they compulsively wish to estrange cannot be called moral.
I’m proud that I’m a political liberal with some social democratic leanings.
I'm proud to be a centrist. Dear Roboxx, All mainstream religions,not only Christianity,frown on homosexuality beacause it goes against Nature.You might wish to do some online research concerning this point.I regard homosexuality as aberrant sexual behaviour although I am not a Christian. How do you define conservatism and liberalism?You are being rather subjective yourself. It is "mainstream" to reject homosexuality not because of any political brainwashing but because society at large,the masses, regards it as abnormal human behaviour.If you choose to live the queer life privately,you can,just like certain people with certain fetishes.However,trying to change the sexual norm through attempting gay activism here goes against the wish of the masses. Nature doth abhor homosexualty.That explains the alarming rate of mortality among gay men in America when Aids first surfaced in the 80's.Remember Rock Hudson?You might want to do some research pertaining to this too.Try googling "The Origin of Aids".The Hiv virus only became deadly among humans and decimated the gay population of America in the early 80's because,I believe,homosexuality goes against Nature,just like a two-headed newborn will not live because it goes against Nature.What goes against Nature will not be allowed to exist.Just imagine,the human immune system itself,the very fortress of natural defense against disease in our bodies,is mysteriously destroyed.Is not this strange human phenomenon somewhat metaphysical,or even divine?Even if gays and lesbians the world over get their ways,I doubt their kind can perpetuate,because of Aids. You are a fool if you think some noisy and silly social activism can pit against Nature. Heterosexuality is the "value of Nature",if you will,as this is the only way that humankind can continue to exist on Earth. Good-day. This post has been edited by Touch_Therapy: Sep 16 2009, 04:41 PM
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Sep 16 2009, 04:05 PM |
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QUOTE "if non-Christians are trying to tempt Christians into unChristian practices like homosexuality, then the churches and Christian organisations should do something, and be entitled to their say." But there are numerous "UnChristian" practises currently being practised in Singapore. Not just homosexuality. Is the Church speaking out against Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Islamism, major religions being practised in Singapore? Cause these religions are what the Bible call "Idol worship". So this selective "speaking out against UnChristian" ACT is what really riles and rattle me. They are picking on us minorities. They know we have few supporters. They know we are an easy target. That's why. QUOTE(One_of_us @ Sep 13 2009, 10:01 PM) 
There are lions in the Singapore zoo. Couldn't a kind soul take the Thio Li-ann and throw her in their cage to satisfy her urges for martyrdom?
Her meat is too foul for them. Plus she her bony-arse isn't worth the trouble. QUOTE(One_of_us @ Sep 13 2009, 10:01 PM) 
This is how God tests them on this earth. The stronger they fail and persist, the higher the floor they will be assigned in heaven. Let's hope they will look out from the top floor in heaven.
That's the "reverse psychology" they always use. When we ask them "Hello? Where's your God? Never seen in the past 2000 years", they always reply, we have FAITH. They have FAITH in something that is completely unseen, unheard, untouchable. This is like what the Islamic-extremists employ to tempt followers into becoming martyrs. That there will be heaven where hundreds of virgins are there when you blow up your enemies by becoming a suicide bomber. Flawed Blind Faith. This post has been edited by superflawless: Sep 16 2009, 04:00 PM
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Sep 16 2009, 12:21 PM |
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QUOTE(ieye4guy @ Sep 15 2009, 09:39 PM) 
"if non-Christians are trying to tempt Christians into unChristian practices like homosexuality, then the churches and Christian organisations should do something, and be entitled to their say."
how do u tempt someone into homosexuality? it is not a product of temptation!
His overrall point is nevertheless sound. He was saying that the homosexuals are not intruding into the churches to obstruct Christians leading their Christian way of life, these Christians should also not intrude into other people's space to meddle with other people's way of life. QUOTE I look at it this way. If non-Christians are trying to tempt Christians into unChristian practices like homosexuality, then the churches and Christian organisations should do something, and be entitled to their say. However, if it's churches and christian organisations trying to to whip the secular society in line with Christian values and practices, then I'd say that it's out of line, interfering with and imposing on other's personal and social lives. That's the impression that they're projecting now.
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Sep 16 2009, 09:20 AM |
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Ha...he is obviously not one of us. QUOTE(ieye4guy @ Sep 15 2009, 09:39 PM) 
one of the quotes seem bewildering:
"if non-Christians are trying to tempt Christians into unChristian practices like homosexuality, then the churches and Christian organisations should do something, and be entitled to their say."
how do u tempt someone into homosexuality? it is not a product of temptation!
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Sep 15 2009, 09:39 PM |
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i dun understand why she really thinks someone out there is gonna sit still and listen to her speak. if she can't deal with a little american culture, like campus demonstrations and nasty letters, then she should just stay away and not put the blame on others for it. in my opinion, she is now at an advanced stage of paranoia. what does she take the americans for - that they sit still and wait for further instructions like singaporean civil servants?  mother and daughter have nothing better to do, but plot to take over the world. one of the quotes seem bewildering: "if non-Christians are trying to tempt Christians into unChristian practices like homosexuality, then the churches and Christian organisations should do something, and be entitled to their say." how do u tempt someone into homosexuality? it is not a product of temptation! This post has been edited by ieye4guy: Sep 15 2009, 10:04 PM
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Sep 15 2009, 05:10 PM |
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Quoting from three persons who commented today at http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?p=308170QUOTE No one will know if he is serving God or Satan until judgement day comes. However, you can roughly assess it from the person's way of doing things. God's people will work with love and care, whereas Satan's workers will work by deception and lies.
And we all know who was caught lying during the AWARE saga.
QUOTE As a charismatic evangelical xtian myself, ok albeit anot very devout as I have stopped church going for sometime due to business and work, I have chosen to listen to some of what COOS has been preaching on its website.
Firstly Pastor Hong ...His message to his congregation in his sermons was , " Submit to authority" as long as they do not "cross your conscience or beliefs." His message to his congregation was that they were being attacked for their beliefs by those groups with a political agenda. and that they should stick by them :_)). He was unapologetic for his beliefs even when chided by prominent senior clergy who suggested he repent and etc and chose to give some what misleading examples.
No one is persecuting him for his beliefs, everyone is criticizing him for how these beliefs are being delivered.
1. He gave examples of xtian persecution in Nigeria and suggested that the attacks on the in Singapore were equivalent. Firstly those people in Nigeria in their wisdom were preaching a xtian God in Muslim areas. I hardly rate the response of liberals and secularist alike to the AWARE issue as equivalent.
2. He gave the example of Dianel who was forced but refused to bow down to foreign gods. Who in the world is forcing Pastor Hong to bow down in front of a foreign god, or to worship a gay one ? Liberals would say Pastor Hong is free to well worship his god and errr muslims their, and errr ditto buddhists, and if a more gay accepting and tolerant community is equivalent to forcing him to worship a foreign god, then he should have his head examined.
QUOTE I look at it this way. If non-Christians are trying to tempt Christians into unChristian practices like homosexuality, then the churches and Christian organisations should do something, and be entitled to their say. However, if it's churches and christian organisations trying to to whip the secular society in line with Christian values and practices, then I'd say that it's out of line, interfering with and imposing on other's personal and social lives. That's the impression that they're projecting now. This post has been edited by Touch_Therapy: Sep 15 2009, 05:16 PM
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Sep 14 2009, 12:15 AM |
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QUOTE(One_of_us @ Sep 13 2009, 10:01 PM)  There are lions in the Singapore zoo. Couldn't a kind soul take the Thio Li-ann and....
Scarli she quote this as a death threat. Anyway....interesting they use "Singa"news....like trying to link our nation with their news portal...steering as far away from religion as possible (1st impression at least). I guess Temasek is out b'cos another news website already using. Mmm...isn't Singa the name of the lion standing for courtesy/kindness? This post has been edited by nixorn: Sep 14 2009, 12:16 AM
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