[jetguyz]

One_of_us, on 13 May 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:

Yes, the REAL Fast and Furious scandal is the way the republicans are going Fast and Furious after Obama with every lie and deception they can invent in order to fool the American electorate to vote for them in November

Clearly the corrupt deceitful Obama is fooling the American electorate to vote for him when he deliberately cover-up his involvement in the Fast and Furious scandal with his equally corrupt crony, Eric Holder!

And yet becos of your obvious stupidity, you could not even explain why Obama sealed the records of Fast and Furious scandal or Eric Holder refuse to hand over the crucial documents to Congress....if you believe that the investigations are lies and deceptions....duh!!

So that would mean that you are full of crap-shit lies and deceptions and trying to justify your lack of brain cells...izzit? :shylauf:

[One_of_us]

jetguyz, on 10 May 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

No doubt an initial first step taken to held the DOJ to account for withholding documents in the Fast and Furious scandal.....hopefully Congress would be more forceful blah blah blah...

Yes, the REAL Fast and Furious scandal is the way the republicans are going Fast and Furious after Obama with every lie and deception they can invent in order to fool the American electorate to vote for them in November

[jetguyz]

No doubt an initial first step taken to held the DOJ to account for withholding documents in the Fast and Furious scandal.....hopefully Congress would be more forceful in demanding that Obama unsealed the documents and that he and Eric Holder be accountable for their roles in the scandal, which could throw Obama off the Election 2012.

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House Cuts Justice Money Over Gun Documents Fight
May 9, 2012

By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — The GOP-controlled House has made clear that it's unhappy with how long the Justice Department is taking to hand over documents regarding a U.S. gun-tracking operation in Mexico.

By a voice vote, the House agreed to a symbolic $1 million cut in money for salaries at the department. That move was orchestrated by South Carolina Republican Trey Gowdy during action Tuesday on the Justice Department spending bill. Gowdy says Congress has been too patient with the department.

In Operation Fast and Furious, U.S. agents hoping to track weapons allowed hundreds of guns to flow from U.S. gun shops in Arizona into Mexico. Two of the guns were later discovered at the scene of the killing of a U.S. border agent.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[jetguyz]

No wonder Obama sealed the evidences and documents of the Fast and Furious scandal, cos evidences recently uncovered indicate it could linked to the Oklahoma bombing in 1995, and implicating the Clinton Admin and Obama Admin, with Eric Holder as the key link in this corrupt cover-ups of mass murder committed by the American Govt (and the FBI dept) under the Democrat Presidents..

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Attorney General Eric Holder Involved in Oklahoma City Bombing

17 Dec 2011

Bad enough that Attorney General Eric Holder is involved in illegal gun trafficking by providing guns to Mexican drug cartels in Mexico via Operation Fast and Furious, part of Operation Gun Runner, as means to fabricate false evidence as pretext for anti-gun legislation, but, now it comes out that Eric Holder was involved in the Oklahoma City bombings carried out by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, as alleged by Associated Free Press;

Eric Holder, current attorney general of the United States, managed an FBI operation that provided explosives to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols just prior to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, according to official documents released during the ongoing investigation into government foreknowledge of the supposed terrorist attack.

According to the documentation provided in the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit brought against the Department of Justice by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, the Oklahoma City bombing had aspects of being an FBI sting operation that went out of control. Holder had authorized the FBI to provide explosives to Nichols and McVeigh, then lost track of both the explosives and their targets. McVeigh went on to detonate some of the explosives outside the federal building, an act that was designed to help anti-terrorism legislation pass Congress. But an additional case of explosives was unaccounted for.

After the bombing, when the FBI learned the location of the explosives, Holder reportedly sent emails to FBI agents ordering them to recover the explosives before they could be found by some other branch of the government. FBI agents failed to spot the additional, unexploded explosives during an initial search of Nichols's home and offered to spare him the death penalty if he would help them recover them.

The case of explosives was, however, recovered by another law enforcement agency and was later determined to have the incriminating fingerprints of two FBI agents, as well as fingerprints of McVeigh and Nichols.

Shortly after the bombing, Kenneth Trentadue, a government informant, was murdered in his prison cell. His family has been pursuing legal action against the federal government ever since.

In 2001, in a bid to avoid a full release of documents, the Federal Bureau of Prisons paid a settlement of $1.1 million to several members of Trentadue's family, but his brother refused to drop the investigation and filed a FOIA lawsuit for the missing documents. That suit has been ongoing in the Salt Lake City federal courthouse.

Ah...the biased corrupt Newsweek .... the supposedly mainstream media without journalistic integrity...!
Once again, covering up for the corrupt Obama Admin...tsk...tsk...

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The article Newsweek gutted--more proof of FBI corruption

The Examiner
Anthony Martin
Conservative Examiner

When citizen investigative journalist Mike Vanderboegh reported earlier this week that an article that appeared in Newsweek Magazine this week was supposed to contain explosive information damaging to the current Administration and that of Bill Clinton, he had a good idea of what was cut by editor Tina Brown due to his numerous contacts in the government.

Today, however, Vanderboegh has an unedited copy of the original version of the article, complete with credible evidence of corruption that exposes Eric Holder, Janet Reno, the FBI, and two Administrations as threats not only to the truth but to the very lives of American citizens.

The original article written by reporter R.M. Schneiderman and approved by his immediate editor John Solomon is extensive. An abbreviated step-by-step overview of that article is provided below.

1. Schneiderman uncovered revelations concerning the Oklahoma City bombing that not only implicate Clinton Administration officials in mass murder but contain a direct link to the Obama Administration, the current FBI, and Attorney-General Eric Holder, who worked for Janet Reno at the Department of Justice during the 1990s. Two informants, John Matthews and Jesse Trentadue, provided the FBI and DOJ with information showing that Timothy McVeigh had worked in tandem with other persons, thereby blowing the theory of the 'lone bomber.'

2. Matthews, who was working with the government to infiltrate extremist groups, had provided information to the FBI indicating that one Tom Posey, who had been a suspect in another crime called the Brown's Ferry Plot, had collaborated with Timothy McVeigh. It was Posey who was the first to talk about the use of weapons of mass destruction to blow up federal buildings--a prospect that prompted Matthews to go to the FBI. But there is evidence that Posey was cooperating with the FBI, providing them key information about various extremist groups in the U.S.

3. Matthews had also encountered Timothy McVeigh in Texas, in the company of one Andreas Carl Strassmeier, another suspect in the planning of the Oklahoma City bombing. McVeigh and Strassmeier were both involved in the para-military movement and were participating in training exercises in Texas.

4. Neither Posey nor Strassmeier were ever pursued by the FBI for their role in the bombing, leading Matthews to conclude that the entire case of the FBI against McVeigh as the 'lone bomber' was highly suspect.

5. A racist, neo-Nazi group in Texas called the Texas Light Infantry is key to understanding the plot to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City. It was within this very group that Matthews encountered McVeigh and Strassmeier. Yet the article in Newsweek fails to mention the militia group at all. Instead the article identifies the Texas Reserve Militia. This deft sleight of hand appears to be aimed at hiding the truth about the Texas Light Infantry, where McVeigh and Strassmeier laid out their plot.

6. Another FBI informant by the name of Dave Rossi was key to the plot, yet that information was also cut out of the final copy of the article that appeared in Newsweek. Rossi knew Posey very well from numerous encounters at various and sundry meetings of extremist militia groups. Rossi was also a key operative in the FBI's scandalous and murderous covert program called PATCON--'Patriot Conspiracy'--which was involved in all of the major scandals going back decades, including the massacres at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

7. Newsweek editor Tina Brown also cut out from the final article an entire section that the reporter had included on Utah Attorney Jesse Trentadue, whose brother was beaten to death in prison shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing. Trentadue believes that his brother was killed by the FBI in a case of mistaken identity. The official report claims that Trentadue hanged himself in the cell. But photos indicate that his throat had been cut. There were bruises all over his body. A federal judge later ruled the FBI had lied in court about the case and destroyed evidence. The Trentadue family was awarded 1.1 million dollars in damages for emotional distress.

Thus, the key facts in the original article written by R.M. Schneiderman for Newsweek/The Daily Beast/The Washington Post wound up in the waste basket of editor Tina Brown. Why? Informants say the FBI, the DOJ, and the Obama Administration pressured the organization to withhold the information.

And, with the ongoing scandal involving Project Gunwalker--Operation Fast and Furious--the Administration may be interesting in protecting key figures in high places, particularly given that many of those involved in Gunwalker were also part of the scandal surrounding the Oklahoma City bombing.

[jetguyz]

Perhaps the racist inhumane Eric Holder would like to blame the victim`s family for being racist to have the audacity to accuse him of being responsible for HIS OWN department`s botched sting operation, Fast and Furious?

Is that how the America`s Justice Dept treat their staff`s families when their staff died in the course of their duties?

That`s worse than Third World dictatorship regime...whereby everyone is dispensable except the dictator and his cronies.

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Holder's 'Fast and Furious' testimony draws rebuke from victim's kin

Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. is sworn in before testifying during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing about the controversial "Fast and Furious" gun-running program.

Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. is sworn in before testifying during a Senate…
November 09, 2011|By Kathleen Hennessey

The family of a slain border agent is blasting Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. for his repeated claims of ignorance about the tactics used in the botched "Fast and Furious" gun-trafficking sting.

"If this is true and he did not know, then he should have known," the family of Brian Terry, an agent killed in a December shootout in Arizona, said in a statement issued Wednesday through a lawyer.
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The so-called gun-walking tactic has become the center of the controversy since whistle-blowers came forward earlier this year to expose the program and its connection to the Terry slaying.

Testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, Holder said the tactic was inappropriate but repeatedly denied that he or other top level officials had ever been told it was in use.

Asked if he wanted to apologize to Terry's family, Holder said he "regrets" the death but called it "unfair" to believe that Fast and Furious was the direct cause.

In the statement, issued by attorney Lincoln Combs, the Terry family took issue with Holder's claim.

"The fact of the matter is that the men who killed Brian Terry were armed with brand new military-grade assault weapons and ammunition. The weapons were allowed to be purchased with the full approval of ATF and the U.S. attorney's office in Arizona; both agencies falling under the control of the attorney general," the statement said.

GOP lawmakers on the committee are pushing Holder to hold Justice officials accountable for the failed operation. Holder argued that he is waiting for the findings of an inspector general investigation before assigning blame. He said he believes he acted responsibly given the information he had.

Terry's family disagreed.

"Well, we know who screwed up: they were ATF supervisors in the Phoenix Field Office who thought up and initiated this plan, ATF Headquarters executives who allowed it to continue, and officials in the Department of Justice who didn't put a stop to it when they had the opportunity," the statement said.

"Mr. Holder needs to own Operation Fast and Furious. In the end, Mr. Holder may choose not to apologize to the Terry family for the role that ATF and DOJ played in the death of Brian Terry, but the attorney general should accept responsibility immediately. It is without question, the right thing to do."

[jetguyz]

sailor, on 20 February 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Yeah, I know.... so do thousands of Vietnamese boat-people.....

You don't want people... you want modern slaves! You want workers who agree to work for low(er) pay and keep quiet.

Again, making claims which you have absolutely no credible evidences to back them...izzit?

Can you prove that legal foreign workers in Singapore "are modern slaves and working for low(er) pay and are keep quiet"?

As usual, you are sprouting crap nonsense again and again and again....duh!

Hello?!
I am still waiting for your brain to catch up with you so that you can prove you are not a deceiver and a liar when making rubbish false claims that :
1. Singapore has only one political party...
2. Singapore Govt censor the Internet for political gains..
3. You knew how Govt (in general) works better than anyone else...

Or should I take it that you are full of crap if you are unable to substantiate your false deceitful claims and blatant lies?

[sailor]

jetguyz, on 20 February 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

And millions of people from Indonesia, China, India and Vietnam ...etc..want to live in Singapore.

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you see it...Singapore only want qualified and skilled workers, and is very strict on clamping down of unqualified legal or illegal immigrants.

Yeah, I know.... so do thousands of Vietnamese boat-people.....

You don't want people... you want modern slaves! You want workers who agree to work for low(er) pay and keep quiet.

[jetguyz]

One_of_us, on 19 February 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

HAHAHAHAHA...

You hit the nail on its head right into this miserable USA basher.

"People vote with their feet". That's why we don't see a big crowd of people desperate to leave the USA for better pastures

And the miserable pro-Obama supporter here still have not remove the embedded rusty nail in his head....
No wonder his brain cells are dying at an alarming rate...tsk...tsk...

FACT is the corrupt fraudulent Obama is using this (what else) fraudulently courting illegal immigrants to the extent of not deporting them, and in some cases...even granting them citizenship (so that they can vote for him)...as to bolster his votes in the coming Election.
Hello?
They are illegal immigrants...who have sneak into the country illegally..
That`s blatant votes buying by Obama , which only happens in Third World country`s dictatorship regime...duh!

Obama Official: Illegal Aliens Will Receive Work Permits
"Illegal aliens living in the United States typically don't apply for work permits for fear of deportation, but under the new policy, they could apply for work permits if granted deferred action or parole and compete with 22 million Americans who can't find a full-time job. "

As Immigration Supporters Converge On Washington, FAIR Accuses Obama Of Sellout
"On March 18, President Obama made a pledge to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) that he would push for amnesty for illegal aliens, in a move that that the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) called an act of "buying votes."

Obama’s promise came just hours after members of the CHC threw their support behind the healthcare reform bill, which passed late on March 21.
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"While Congress and the administration ignore the concerns of millions of American families who are struggling through the worst economic crisis in 75 years, they appear remarkably responsive to the demands of people who are in the country illegally," Stein commented."

[jetguyz]

sailor, on 19 February 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

And yet..... millions upon millions still want to live over there, be it legal or illegal.... I never read about such movement towards SG.... I wonder why that is????

And millions of people want to live in Europe from the African continent and East Europe.

And millions of people from Indonesia, China, India and Vietnam ...etc..want to live in Singapore.

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you see it...Singapore only want qualified and skilled workers, and is very strict on clamping down of unqualified legal or illegal immigrants.

Thus if you have "never read such movement towards Singapore", then you must be living in your closet for too long.
No wonder with your lack of grip on reality, you always sprout nonsense with such ignorance.

FACT is, in the USA, one could easily get green card thru` lottery system or counterfeit means, and corruption and porous borders lead to huge influx of illegal immigrants.
Fake IDs Openly Made and Sold in New York City
So which country is easy for those who want to escape poverty or persecution from their own country?

I am sure "One_of_us" can fill you in with his... erm..."tragic personal account" of how to live in USA either mentally or physically ...lor!

[One_of_us]

sailor, on 19 February 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

And yet..... millions upon millions still want to live over there, be it legal or illegal.... I never read about such movement towards SG.... I wonder why that is????

HAHAHAHAHA...

You hit the nail on its head right into this miserable USA basher.

"People vote with their feet". That's why we don't see a big crowd of people desperate to leave the USA for better pastures

[sailor]

jetguyz, on 18 February 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

How America has degenerate into Third World state physically and mentality ....due to their clueless stupidity in electing that corrupt deceitful fraudulent "messiah' president.

And yet..... millions upon millions still want to live over there, be it legal or illegal.... I never read about such movement towards SG.... I wonder why that is????

[jetguyz]

So under the Obama regime, the Military can kill anyone whom they "suspect" as terrorists in foreign land,.......... the CIA can kill any American citizens whom they "suspect" as terrorists in America .......and the FBI harass and threaten whistle-blowers who reported "flaws in a terrorism investigation and doctored records to cover up mistakes"!!

How America has degenerate into Third World state physically and mentality ....due to their clueless stupidity in electing that corrupt deceitful fraudulent "messiah' president.

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Congress Now Targeting FBI In Fast and Furious Scandal

by Ulsterman on October 21, 2011

In what appears related to specific concerns over an alleged missing “Gun #1″ in the death of U.S. Border Agent Brian Terry, Congressman Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley have requested from FBI head Robert Mueller a full explanation regarding the weapons used to kill Agent Terry.

The Obama Justice Department has maintained only two weapons were found at the Terry crime scene, something Congressional investigators appear increasingly skeptical of. In a letter to the FBI, Congress members are now demanding for the first time, far greater details from the FBI investigation into the Terry killing than has otherwise been provided:

“Out of deference to the FBI’s ongoing criminal inquiry, we have delayed asking the Bureau direct questions about the case for nearly 10 months. “However, Congress has a right and a duty to conduct oversight of federal law enforcement operations.

Agencies like the FBI can wield tremendous power and influence over individual citizens. With that power and influence comes responsibility, and nothing exempts the Bureau from accountability to Congress as well as to the courts.”

This new request for further information from Congress to the FBI places the Obama Justice Department once again in the cross-hairs of the growing scandal – namely Attorney General Eric Holder.
The official response from the DOJ regarding the accusation of a missing third gun was as follows:

“The FBI has made clear that reports of a third gun recovered from the perpetrators at the scene of Agent Terry’s murder are false.”

Unfortunately, this most recent false accusation not only maligns the dedicated agents investigating the murder of Agent Terry, it mis-characterizes evidence in an ongoing case.”

Presently, there has been no comment from within the FBI regarding the latest request from Congress for more information – Director Mueller is said to be “out of town.”

[jetguyz]

Was Hillary Clinton the mastermind of Fast and Furious sting operation under the Obama regime?
If Hillary is caught out, would she implicate Obama to save her skin?
That would be an interesting turn of event...

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New evidence shows Hillary Clinton masterminded ‘Fast and Furious’

Antony Martin
Examiner.com
October 11, 2011

Last week it was reported that the State Department and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were deeply involved in the scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, or Project Gunwalker. Today, however, new evidence has surfaced indicating that not only was Hillary deeply involved in the scandal but was one of the masterminds behind it.

According to investigative citizen journalist Mike Vanderboegh, sources close to the development of the Gunwalker scheme state that early on, Hillary and her trusted associated at State, Andrew J. Shapiro, devised at least part of the framework of what would later become Operation Fast and Furious. It was Shapiro who first described the details of the proposed scheme early in 2009 just after the Obama Administration took office.

======Hillary herself stayed out of all meetings dealing with strategy concerning the euphemism the Administration used to designate Gunwalker, 'strategy meetings on Mexico and the problem of drug and gun trafficking.' Hillary's absence would give the impression that she had no connection to the scheme while making sure that her views were represented by Steinberg and Shapiro, both of whom were fully complicit with the details that developed concerning how to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico.

According to sources, Hillary was obsessed with gun statistics that would prove that '90% of the firearms used by Mexican criminals come from the United States.' As previously reported, that meme, repeated incessantly by Democratic Senators, Barack Obama, certain members of the ATF, Janet Napolitano, and Hillary Clinton was patently and blatantly false. The fact that they all knew it was false is borne out by the lengths to which each of the above named co-conspirators went to attempt to 'prove' that the 90% figure was true.

Thus, from the beginning the scheme was to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico in order to be in a strengthened position to call for gun bans and strict gun control at a time when it was politically unpopular. Further, the scheme would involve a made-up statistic, out of thin air--90%--which then had to be proved by using civilian gun retailers along the southern border as unsuspecting pawns to walk U.S. guns into Mexico by ATF agents, straw purchasers, and others with connections to Mexican drug cartels.

And the evidence points to the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was 'in the loop' on the scheme from the very beginning.

[jetguyz]

One_of_us, on 18 February 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

The USA president IS NOT responsible for bringing down the country's deficit. That's pure nonsense. The president is responsible for acting in ways that will improve the nation's economy. His responsibility does not reach to the actual outcomes because there are too many factors he cannot control, like the sabotage by Republican legislators who want to screw up the economy so that they can blame the president for it.

Oh Puhleeze...!
If the president is not responsible for bringing down the country`s deficit, then what the hell did he keep on asking for more taxpayers` money to stuff his failed "stimulus plans and Job Acts"?

His responsibility is to work with Congress (esp. Republicans) to bring down the country`s deficit for the good of the country, and not to show one-up man ship by ignoring them and drafting the stimulus plans and job acts without input or consultation with them!
And since Congress was not consulted during the drafts, and the stimulus plans and Job Act were not "created" in bi-partisan spirit, then why should they (esp Republicans) blindly agreed to all aspects of Obama`s dubious arrogance stimulus plans and Job Act...duh!

Such arrogance stupidity is why the "stimulus plans and job acts failed, and obviously Obama refused to have Congress and esp. Republicans involved becos now Americans know that part of the money is intended to lined the pockets of Wall St fat cats and Obama`s cronies and campaign donors.

One_of_us, on 18 February 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

More lunacies by this liar and deceiver jetz...

Why were the stimulus and bailouts implemented? Because there were good reasons to do so.

More lunacies by this liar and deceiver "One_of_us"...

Obviously there are good reasons to implement the stimulus plans and bailouts...
It is how the stimulus plans and bailouts are implemented, rather than why they are implemented...duh!

One_of_us, on 18 February 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Amazing! the recent news about General Motors posting the biggest annual profit ever: 7.6 billion US$! All thanks to being bailed-out three years ago.

Actually, President George W. Bush and his Treasury Secretary, Hank Paulson, got the ball rolling on both the auto industry bailout and the bank bailout.

From Wikipedia:
"In December 2008, U.S. President George W. Bush agreed to a $13.4 billion bailout for General Motors followed by an additional $39 billion from the Barack Obama administration.
The financing came from the $700 billion fund known as the TARP that was intended for financial institutions. General Motors emerged from a Chapter 11 reorganization in 2009, with an initial public offering that was one of the world`s top 5 largest IPOs to date."

And yet the bailout by the Govt has not yet been repaid by GM and likely will result in a loss for American taxpayers.
By the U.S. Treasury’s own admission, there is some $28 billion left unpaid of the TARP funds from GM.

GM’s bailout had a realized loss of about $4.4 billion.
And if you factor in all auto bailouts it is a whopping loss of $5.7billion of taxpayer`s money!

Just more deceitful lunacies by this liar and deceiver "One_of_us"...huh!

In fact, taxpayers should demand GM to "Show me the money!".

One_of_us, on 18 February 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Uh, uh... poor Mitt Romney, who claimed that GM should have been allowed to go bankrupt. Will see how the people in Michigan will vote for their GOP candidate,

If the people in Michigan and Detroit is smart and not those clueless herd mentality pro-Obama supporters, they would do well to see thru` this bullshit lunatic lies and deceits from the Obama regime and his supporters. hahaha

[One_of_us]

jetguyz, on 17 February 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

The compulsive liar and deceiver "one_of_us" keeps repeating the same lie: that Obama is not responsible for the 15 trillion US$ deficit.
If the president of the USA is not responsible for bringing down the country`s deficit, then why did America vote for a loser inept idiot president then?

The USA president IS NOT responsible for bringing down the country's deficit. That's pure nonsense. The president is responsible for acting in ways that will improve the nation's economy. His responsibility does not reach to the actual outcomes because there are too many factors he cannot control, like the sabotage by Republican legislators who want to screw up the economy so that they can blame the president for it.

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Why did Congress or the people approved his 2 "stimulus Plan" and "Job Act" and waste billions and trillions of US$?.... just so he could lined the pockets of his corrupt cronies and campaign donors...izzit?
Just so he could throw money into conducting convert wars against sovereign countries, throw taxpayers` money money into Solyndra and SIGU, bailed out Wall Street fat cats, engage in money laundering with drug cartels in Mexico...izzit?

More lunacies by this liar and deceiver jetz...

Why were the stimulus and bailouts implemented? Because there were good reasons to do so.

Amazing! the recent news about General Motors posting the biggest annual profit ever: 7.6 billion US$! All thanks to being bailed-out three years ago.

Uh, uh... poor Mitt Romney, who claimed that GM should have been allowed to go bankrupt. Will see how the people in Michigan will vote for their GOP candidate, hahaha

[jetguyz]

One_of_us, on 16 February 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Yes, that is a possibility.

And even more effective than the spray, a banning from trevvy would be the cleanest solution. But this is not in our hands to implement.

<Ignorant irrelevant crap posting> Ignored.

[jetguyz]

One_of_us, on 15 February 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

ATTENTION ATTENTION

The compulsive liar and deceiver jetz keeps repeating the same lie: that Obama caused a 15 trillion US$ deficit.

His deception includes blaming Obama for "not bringing down the deficit". Yet Obama did everything he could, even to the point of frustrating his own Democrats, to compromise with the Republicans over reducing the deficit, before S&P downgraded the US credit rating.

The Republican "tea party" refused to any raises in taxes of even one dollar!

But the lies and deceptions over the tax issues predicated by the GOP are slowly uncovered by clear evidence, and the "dumb and uneducated" US public is taking notice. The taxes corporations effectively pay are at an all-time low. The taxes of the 1% rich are at an all-time low. Thanks to Romney for exhibiting the evidence so clearly

The compulsive liar and deceiver "one_of_us" keeps repeating the same lie: that Obama is not responsible for the 15 trillion US$ deficit.
If the president of the USA is not responsible for bringing down the country`s deficit, then why did America vote for a loser inept idiot president then?

Why did Congress or the people approved his 2 "stimulus Plan" and "Job Act" and waste billions and trillions of US$?.... just so he could lined the pockets of his corrupt cronies and campaign donors...izzit?
Just so he could throw money into conducting convert wars against sovereign countries, throw taxpayers` money money into Solyndra and SIGU, bailed out Wall Street fat cats, engage in money laundering with drug cartels in Mexico...izzit?

But the lies and deceptions over the tax issues predicated by the Obama regime are slowly uncovered by clear evidence, and the "dumb and uneducated" US public is taking notice.
That `s much is true...

[jetguyz]

sailor, on 15 February 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

You're still missing the point... as usual.

I don't know about down there, but up here the government can't say: "lock him up" (as they should do with you), or "release him" (as they NEVER should do with you).

YOU are the one who is missing the point...duh!

Once again you are sprouting ignorant nonsense without doing research even tho` you claim you are "dutch".

Netherlands have adopted anti-terrorism measures that challenge human rights, criminal-justice principles, and due process in the Anti-Terrorism Act

In the Netherlands...The AVID, The police and The Govt have the authority and the power to "lock him up" (as they should with you), or "release him" (as they NEVER should with you)...all without the court`s permission........duh!
Have you even read your so-claimed "country"`s Counter-Terrorism Act"???

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Counter-terrorism in the Netherlands

By: Mr E.S.M. Akerboom
Director Democratic Legal Order
General Intelligence and Security Service of the Netherlands (AIVD)

In the Netherlands terrorism has been not been defined by law so far. This situation will soon change, when membership of a terrorist organization will be made punishable under the amended Dutch Penal Code.

The AIVD and the police
The duties and powers of the intelligence and security services in the Netherlands have been laid down in the Intelligence and Security Services Act. The AIVD conducts investigations into organizations that and persons who give cause for serious suspicion that they pose a threat to the continued existence of the democratic legal order, to national security or to other vital interests of the state.

The co-operation between the AIVD, the police and the Royal Netherlands Military Constabulary has largely been defined in the Intelligence and Security Services Act, particularly in Articles 38, 60 and 62.
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Intelligence work and criminal law
Thorough intelligence work, active measures to frustrate terrorist activities and an adequate co-ordination with criminal investigation and prosecution should be essential elements of counter-terrorism. The AIVD’s annual report for 2002 shows that the police made a large number of arrests on the basis of AIVD information in 2002.
Initially the Rotterdam court questioned the lawfulness of the use of AIVD information in criminal proceedings, but according to a recent decision of the court of appeal in The Hague, judicial authorities can rely on the lawful acquisition of AIVD information, which implies that such information can indeed be admitted in evidence in criminal cases. The court has not yet given a decision about the evidential value of AIVD information in criminal proceedings. In a number of cases the AIVD, in conjunction with the Public Prosecutions Department (in this case the officer responsible for counter-terrorism) and the police, decided that intervention was (immediately) necessary. The effects of interventions go beyond the judicial proceedings and should not only be assessed in terms of the length of the punishment or the number of convictions.

The sometimes suggested picture of the Netherlands as a tolerant country is absolutely not correct where the phenomenon of terrorism is concerned.
On the contrary, the Netherlands approaches the subject energetically and rather effectively at a political and policy level, at a judicial level and at the level of implementing bodies like the AIVD, the police, the Ministry of Finance, etc. The outcome of relevant criminal proceedings will show whether the legal instruments in the Netherlands are adequate.

The Minister of Justice is already investigating whether an extension of the provisions under criminal law would be advisable in order to enable the authorities to take effective measures against, for example, recruitment.
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In so far, you still have not justify your false claims that Singapore Govt censor the Internet for political agenda....or that Singapore has only one political party.
FACT is you still have not post anything credible concerning your deluded beliefs that you know the "working of the Govt (in general) better than me or anyone else.

And now you have even expose yourself to be ignorant about your "so-claim" country`s "working of the Govt"!! ...duh!

sailor, on 15 February 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Only thing they can't do is giving the death penalty, because our law (not even the military), contains an article that allows it, as is the case in any civilized country.

Sentencing a killer of innocent victims or a dangerous drug traffickers to death penalty is as expected of a civilized Govt in any country which values their citizens.

After all these criminals are given due process and trials before they are sentenced to death.
As much as some politically correct ignorant fools would like to think that it is "not correct", then why don`t they explain to the victims` families why the killers and drug traffickers should not die?

At least Singapore is not like the US Obama regime where Obama can point a finger at an American and say he is a "terrorist" and have him killed, without even going to trial or due process...

Countries whereby their Govt did not have the death penalty for hardcore criminals are deluding themselves for political gains.
How long can they lock these hardcore criminals up?
Their entire life-time?
And you don`t think it is more inhumane to lock someone up for years without any chance of being free?
And you don`t think the victims`s families should have closure for their grief, worrying that the killers/traffickers would be release and come after them or kill someone else again?
And you call that "civilized"?

[One_of_us]

sailor, on 16 February 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

You think a spray could be developped against this pest?

Yes, that is a possibility.

And even more effective than the spray, a banning from trevvy would be the cleanest solution. But this is not in our hands to implement.

[One_of_us]

jetguyz, on 15 February 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

ATTENTION ATTENTION!!!
First and foremost, Obama took over the White House and assume responsibility for the country`s economy deficit.
Instead of bringing down the deficit, he raked up US$15trillion in just 3 short years!!!...compare to Bush`s US$10 trillion in over 8 years. (that`s about 5 times more than Bush)

ATTENTION ATTENTION

The compulsive liar and deceiver jetz keeps repeating the same lie: that Obama caused a 15 trillion US$ deficit.

His deception includes blaming Obama for "not bringing down the deficit". Yet Obama did everything he could, even to the point of frustrating his own Democrats, to compromise with the Republicans over reducing the deficit, before S&P downgraded the US credit rating.

The Republican "tea party" refused to any raises in taxes of even one dollar!

But the lies and deceptions over the tax issues predicated by the GOP are slowly uncovered by clear evidence, and the "dumb and uneducated" US public is taking notice. The taxes corporations effectively pay are at an all-time low. The taxes of the 1% rich are at an all-time low. Thanks to Romney for exhibiting the evidence so clearly